In Search of the Historical Covid

In Search of the Historical Covid

In Search of The Historical COVID
July 18, 2021

As a pastor who is interested in scholarly things, my interest throughout my ministry was with the figure of Jesus. What was Jesus? Who was Jesus? I followed the scholars who were searching for the historical Jesus, that is what can be known about the person of Jesus, as opposed to the theological Jesus or more precisely the Jesus of Creed.

This is a fascinating study. I have a library of books on the topic. If you search previous radio broadcasts at Progressive Spirit dot net, you will find many interviews with leading scholars on the topic of the historical Jesus.

The views range widely from 1) Jesus being mostly what the gospels say he was, to 2) the gospels provide little information and are mostly legend, to 3) Jesus didn’t exist at all. I studied the so-called Gnostic gospels, the Qur’an and whatever people said about Jesus.

The scholars and their fans were quite passionate about what they knew and suspected, and often, sadly, in my opinion, were less than gracious to people who had in their view, wrong points of view.

It was a fascinating study and fruitful really in my ministry as people in my churches were interested in this kind of thing as well. The study of the historical Jesus, including reading all the varieties of Jesus was helpful to me in navigating a spirituality.

I opened myself to a variety of views, trying them on to see what fit. I don’t think I found the answer, but I did find a deepened awareness for spiritual literature and for the person of Jesus, however elusive he might be.

What I am finding is that the debate among skeptics regarding COVID reminds me of the historical Jesus debate.

Is the virus Sars Cov 2 and the resulting illness COVID 19 what the media and our institutions say it is? Most skeptics are skeptical of the powers who under the banner of “science” that looks to many like “authoritarianism” have the corner on orthodoxy, which means straight words, straight thinking, or right thinking. They promote it and enforce it. There is no doubt what everyone must think, believe, and do regarding COVID 19.

So they are wrong for the very fact that they don’t allow debate. There are many scientists, doctors, and smart regular people who question the orthodox narrative, but are censored.

So the orthodox position has problems not only in its content but in its method of suppressing debate.

But if Sars Cov 2 and in particular, COVID 19 is not a disease that originated from a wild bat and is so ferocious that the world must be locked down and everyone must lose their freedoms and rights and engage in dubious behaviors to prevent its spread, such as wear masks on their faces, avoid other people, and take experimental injections, then what is it? What is COVID 19?

The skeptics are not on the same page.

Some say that this virus is a bioweapon that accidentally escaped from a Chinese lab.

Others say the virus is a bioweapon that the US Deep State created and released to attack China and Iran and it then blewback upon the world.

Others say, it is mostly a media creation—a collection of symptoms labelled as COVID, symptoms that resemble a cold, flu, or a respiratory disease, but in and of itself really is nothing.

Others say it is the flu, rebranded.

Others say it is a natural virus in a large family of viruses that we deal with all the time, this happens to be more severe for those who are ill or elderly.

Still others question the existence of viruses altogether and say that what are called viruses are really exosomes, our own body’s response to an outside pathogen.

Other views combine elements of the above.

Others, and I find myself sympathetic here, is that COVID 19 is a mythical collection (think in terms of sacred myth) of smaller events, perhaps unrelated, that have been manipulated and collected and narrativized. So for example, it is quite likely that the US deep state attacked China and Iran with a bioweapon. Does that mean that what is called COVID 19 by the media and governments and especially the response by the same – really the same thing as what might have been released? It may have started there, and it may have made people sick and contributed to their deaths, but it has also metastasized into a full-blown myth, particularly in regards to the response to it by authoritarian governments around the world.

It is like historical Jesus research in that the challenge is to separate the myth from the man, or the myth from the virus, and it depends a great deal on your perspective about what is myth and what is real.

It is very important that we get this right. What we think of it, directs our response. For example, what should we worry about: the virus (especially if it is a bioweapon and the geopolitics of this) or the response (lockdowns, restriction of rights, etc.) or the injection?

Your answer will depend upon what you think of the historical Covid.

In the debates over the historical Jesus, it appeared that scholars and their fans spent their time defending their pet theories. Evidence brought forth from those with different views was often dismissed or relegated to minor status, while one’s own evidence was given prominence. I guess that is the way it goes for most things.

I also found it distressing that people were in different camps and were often quite hostile to others, not always, but more often than I found desirable.

This is my point. This is sadly true with the covid skeptics. They are ruthless to each other at times, calling each other controlled opposition or disinfo agents, or worse. It is all very unpleasant.

My hope is that we can be open to a variety of views and be discerning and polite and have uncensored debate. We live in a time in which all skeptics are being erased. The orthodox want it all. We need to ban together even as we disagree over certain aspects of this. As I see it, we are being purposefully confused and divided. It is true that we are being deceived with disinformation. But we don’t always know what is and what isn’t, especially in an area that few people really know that well, in fact, even experts do not seem to agree on basic things.

This is a psyop. That is a guarantee. We are the experiment. Don’t get caught up in squabbles or envy. Seek the truth, even when, and especially when, you find evidence that challenges your pet theory.

The Afghan Debacle after Twenty Years: A Conversation with Lucy Morgan Edwards

The Afghan Debacle after Twenty Years: A Conversation with Lucy Morgan Edwards

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President Biden announced that the war in Afghanistan is over and is bringing home the troops. This announcement comes just prior to the 20th anniversary of the 9/11 False Flag that provided the pretext for the invasion of Afghanistan in October 2001.  

Author and journalist, Lucy Morgan Edwards, was in Afghanistan both before and after 9/11. She speaks with me about her time in Afghanistan, her book, and how she sees the US invasion  now. We also talk about the current globalist takeover under the guise of a healthcare crisis.   

Dr. Lucy Morgan Edwards is a former political advisor to the EU ambassador in Kabul with responsibilities for civil military affairs, narcotics and security sector reform.  She worked for the UN in Kandahar at the height of the Taliban regime. She is the author of the 2011 book,  

The Afghan Solution: The Inside Story of Abdul Haq, the CIA, and How Western Hubris Lost Afghanistan

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This interview was recorded July 14th, 2021.

This episode originally was broadcast July 18th, 2021 on Freedom Loves Company, Revolution.radio, Studio B, 8-10 pm Eastern.

I also included a piece I wrote, “In Search of the Historical Covid” (see text below).

In Search of The Historical COVID
July 18, 2021

As a pastor who is interested in scholarly things, my interest throughout my ministry was with the figure of Jesus. What was Jesus? Who was Jesus? I followed the scholars who were searching for the historical Jesus, that is what can be known about the person of Jesus, as opposed to the theological Jesus or more precisely the Jesus of Creed.

This is a fascinating study. I have a library of books on the topic. If you search previous radio broadcasts at Progressive Spirit dot net, you will find many interviews with leading scholars on the topic of the historical Jesus.

The views range widely from 1) Jesus being mostly what the gospels say he was, to 2) the gospels provide little information and are mostly legend, to 3) Jesus didn’t exist at all. I studied the so-called Gnostic gospels, the Qur’an and whatever people said about Jesus.

The scholars and their fans were quite passionate about what they knew and suspected, and often, sadly, in my opinion, were less than gracious to people who had in their view, wrong points of view.

It was a fascinating study and fruitful really in my ministry as people in my churches were interested in this kind of thing as well. The study of the historical Jesus, including reading all the varieties of Jesus was helpful to me in navigating a spirituality.

I opened myself to a variety of views, trying them on to see what fit. I don’t think I found the answer, but I did find a deepened awareness for spiritual literature and for the person of Jesus, however elusive he might be.

What I am finding is that the debate among skeptics regarding COVID reminds me of the historical Jesus debate.

Is the virus Sars Cov 2 and the resulting illness COVID 19 what the media and our institutions say it is? Most skeptics are skeptical of the powers who under the banner of “science” that looks to many like “authoritarianism” have the corner on orthodoxy, which means straight words, straight thinking, or right thinking. They promote it and enforce it. There is no doubt what everyone must think, believe, and do regarding COVID 19.

So they are wrong for the very fact that they don’t allow debate. There are many scientists, doctors, and smart regular people who question the orthodox narrative, but are censored.

So the orthodox position has problems not only in its content but in its method of suppressing debate.

But if Sars Cov 2 and in particular, COVID 19 is not a disease that originated from a wild bat and is so ferocious that the world must be locked down and everyone must lose their freedoms and rights and engage in dubious behaviors to prevent its spread, such as wear masks on their faces, avoid other people, and take experimental injections, then what is it? What is COVID 19?

The skeptics are not on the same page.

Some say that this virus is a bioweapon that accidentally escaped from a Chinese lab.

Others say the virus is a bioweapon that the US Deep State created and released to attack China and Iran and it then blewback upon the world.

Others say, it is mostly a media creation—a collection of symptoms labelled as COVID, symptoms that resemble a cold, flu, or a respiratory disease, but in and of itself really is nothing.

Others say it is the flu, rebranded.

Others say it is a natural virus in a large family of viruses that we deal with all the time, this happens to be more severe for those who are ill or elderly.

Still others question the existence of viruses altogether and say that what are called viruses are really exosomes, our own body’s response to an outside pathogen.

Other views combine elements of the above.

Others, and I find myself sympathetic here, is that COVID 19 is a mythical collection (think in terms of sacred myth) of smaller events, perhaps unrelated, that have been manipulated and collected and narrativized. So for example, it is quite likely that the US deep state attacked China and Iran with a bioweapon. Does that mean that what is called COVID 19 by the media and governments and especially the response by the same – really the same thing as what might have been released? It may have started there, and it may have made people sick and contributed to their deaths, but it has also metastasized into a full-blown myth, particularly in regards to the response to it by authoritarian governments around the world.

It is like historical Jesus research in that the challenge is to separate the myth from the man, or the myth from the virus, and it depends a great deal on your perspective about what is myth and what is real.

It is very important that we get this right. What we think of it, directs our response. For example, what should we worry about: the virus (especially if it is a bioweapon and the geopolitics of this) or the response (lockdowns, restriction of rights, etc.) or the injection?

Your answer will depend upon what you think of the historical Covid.

In the debates over the historical Jesus, it appeared that scholars and their fans spent their time defending their pet theories. Evidence brought forth from those with different views was often dismissed or relegated to minor status, while one’s own evidence was given prominence. I guess that is the way it goes for most things.

I also found it distressing that people were in different camps and were often quite hostile to others, not always, but more often than I found desirable.

This is my point. This is sadly true with the covid skeptics. They are ruthless to each other at times, calling each other controlled opposition or disinfo agents, or worse. It is all very unpleasant.

My hope is that we can be open to a variety of views and be discerning and polite and have uncensored debate. We live in a time in which all skeptics are being erased. The orthodox want it all. We need to ban together even as we disagree over certain aspects of this. As I see it, we are being purposefully confused and divided. It is true that we are being deceived with disinformation. But we don’t always know what is and what isn’t, especially in an area that few people really know that well, in fact, even experts do not seem to agree on basic things.

This is a psyop. That is a guarantee. We are the experiment. Don’t get caught up in squabbles or envy. Seek the truth, even when, and especially when, you find evidence that challenges your pet theory.

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The Jesus Hoax: A Conversation with David Skrbina

Dr. David Skrbina makes the case that Christianity started as a hoax by St. Paul:

“Jesus of Nazareth is one of the most famous men in history.  There are good reasons to believe that he walked the earth some two thousand years ago, and was eventually crucified.

But what about Jesus Christ, son of God?  What if he never existed?  What if the divine, virgin-born, resurrected Jesus Christ was a myth, a lie—even a hoax?  That would have huge implications for modern-day Christianity; it would mean that there is a gigantic falsehood at the core of the religion of some two billion people.

In this book, Dr. David Skrbina presents a profound and stunning theory:  that St. Paul and a band of friends constructed a ‘Jesus hoax.’  They took a kernel of truth based on Jesus, the man, and turned him into the divine savior of humanity.  They did so as a way to strike back at the hated Roman Empire, and to undermine its strength among the common people.”

That is from the back cover of The Jesus Hoax: How St. Paul’s Cabal Fooled the World for Two Thousand Years, by Dr. David Skrbina.

This is the third part of series on Revisioning Christianity. Different scholars bring different views to help us understand the history of Christianity and its future. How did Christianity become empire’s religion? Is it believable today? Was it ever believable?

Does it yet have a message to inspire peace and justice? Or is it the result of a malicious hoax and a bad idea?

John Shuck’s five guests include

1) Bart Ehrman, author of the newly released, The Triumph of Christianity: How A Forbidden Religion Swept the World,

2) John Dominic Crossan, who with his wife, Sarah Sexton Crossan have just released Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision.

3) John Shelby Spong, author of the newly released, Unbelievable: Why Neither Ancient Creeds Nor the Reformation Can Produce a Living Faith Today,

4) Angela Yarber, creator of the Holy Women Icons Project, and this week,

5) David Skrbina, author of the newly released, The Jesus Hoax: How St. Paul’s Cabal Fooled the World for Two Thousand Years,

Dr. David Skrbina is a senior lecturer in philosophy at the University of Michigan, Dearborn, where he’s taught since 2003.  His areas of expertise are philosophy of mind, philosophy of technology, and history of religion. Professor Skrbina’s books include Panpsychism in the West, The Metaphysics of Technology and Mind that Abides.

Professor Skrbina corresponded extensively with Ted Kaczynski, the Unabomber, and in 2010 published Technological Slavery. This was the first book written by Ted Kaczynski.  It contains the only corrected version of his manifesto, five previously unpublished essays, and about 100 pages of letters to Dr. Skrbina.

Dr. Skrbina is a pioneer in eco-philosophy encompassing ethics, metaphysics, and cosmology and is Deputy Director of the Eco-Philosophy Center. He ran for Lieutenant Governor for the state of Michigan in 2006 with the Green Party. He has a master’s degree in Mathematics and a Ph. D. In philosophy.

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Resisting Empire By Resurrecting Easter: A Conversation with John Dominic Crossan

John Shuck begins a five-part series on Revisioning Christianity. How did Christianity triumph? Was it a hoax? Is it unbelievable? Does it yet have a message to inspire peace and justice?

My five guests include:

1) Bart Ehrman, author of the newly released, The Triumph of Christianity: How A Forbidden Religion Swept the World,

2) John Shelby Spong, author of the newly released, Unbelievable: Why Neither Ancient Creeds Nor the Reformation Can Produce a Living Faith Today,

3) David Skrbina, author of the newly released, The Jesus Hoax: How St. Paul’s Cabal Fooled the World for Two Thousand Years,

4) Angela Yarber, creator of the Holy Women Icons Project, and starting us off,

5) John Dominic Crossan, who with his wife, Sarah Sexton Crossan have just released Resurrecting Easter: How the West Lost and the East Kept the Original Easter Vision.

Professor John Dominic Crossan is regarded as the foremost historical Jesus scholar of our time. He is the author of 30 or so books including his hugely influential, The Historical Jesus: The Life of a Mediterranean Jewish Peasant.

This is the third time Professor Crossan has been on Progressive Spirit. Previously on this show we discussed his books, The Power of Parable: How Fiction by Jesus became fiction about Jesus, and How to Read the Bible and Still Be a Christian: Struggling with Divine Violence from Genesis Through Revelation.

In this episode, we discuss how the vision of Easter as depicted in the Eastern iconography of Anastasis “rising up” symbolizes non-violent resistance to empire.